The many posts here with resources and stories speaks to the continued interest. Its a lovely convoluted puzzle theyve given us to solve. They however, changed their minds and established themselves in the asylum for the oppressed, Pennsylvania. Ive just forwarded your post to my friend Garry Finkell, president of the New York State chapter of the Palatines To America. WebThe Hunter Hunted is a quest in Seeker, Slayer, Survivor. If your dad has the surname youre looking for, I recommend that he take a Y-DNA test (FamilyTreeDNA.com). Actual passenger lists have not survived, but the following is a set of reconstructed lists (some of which are very incomplete) posted online by the ProGenealogists Palatine Project circa 2009-2011. This gives a wonderful historical background to what they endured. Where did they come from? Mohawk Valley Im not experienced with GEDmatch interpretation, so I dont know the chances of a match with your people. He was a vinedresser and left Switzerland to work in the vineyards of the Rhine Valley. Many became ill and the entire fleet was ravaged by ships fever (known today as typhus) which caused the deaths of many passengers (The Palatine Families of New York 1710 by Henry Z. Jones). Ancestry has a large database of users for their DNA project but they are behind in the tools they offer to look at matches. Fortunately, we do have a Coble male from Jacob Kobels line, and he matches other Coble males as well. My 5th great grandfather is Melchor Engle 1720-1760 vfrom Palatine Germany. In fact, decades later, many were still trying to obtain their free land to which they were just sure they were entitled. New York and along the Hudson under the patronage of Queen Anne of 1710. Mannor of Livinsgton 25 March 1712. . Some of the inhabitants were massacred, others abducted. You can see the church and cloisters and surrounding small streets and houses. Thank you so much for this. Learn more. What to do? 1998, -- 2003. heads of families or the recipient thus:--2 adults 2 young (i.e. I too descend from Jost Henrich Schaffer http://doriswheeler.org/p133.htm#i3962 and many more Palatines. From 1735, settlements in Pennsylvania multiplied rapidly; extended over vast regions, west of the Susquehanna, whither the Scotch-Irish had led the way. The first name of Simons father is unknown, but the family had been living there since at least 1702. It is was something of a surprise to find the the Ketzebach line were Loyalists and went to Canada just prior or during the Revolutionary war period. Thanks to this blog of yours I was able to get a hard copy of The Melchor Engle Family History and I am so excited. Needless to say, my genealogy research is now entirely focused on trying to break down this wall. Johan Peter Wagner is my relation and his story is Palatine Roots by Nancy Wagoner Dixon 1994. Governor Keith, says the record, "observed to the Board - the Governor's council - that great numbers of foreigners from Germany, strangers to our language and constitution, having lately been imported into this Province, daily dispensed themselves immediatly after landing, without producing certificates from whence they came or what they are, and, as they seemed to have first landed in Britain, and afterwards to have left without any license from government, or as far as they know, so, in the same manner, they behaved here, without making the least application to him or any of the magistrates. I am interested in identifying his family in Germany. Thought the Limerick Palatines spread out to other areas, particularly north Kerry and Tipperary, Rathkeale remained an important focal point. Palatines 1710-1713 each having the certificates and the seal of New York Article on Palatine ancestors free on Jstor, The families from which the writer is descended have no. Place: New York (p. 255). 2. Rather than being fit objects of charity, they had become, in the words of an anonymous pamphleteer, a parcel of vagabonds, who might have lied comfortably enough in their native country, had not the laziness of their dispositions and the report of our well-known generosity drawn them out of it.. Y DNA testing can give us those answers, but we need a male from the surname lines in question to test. I love these old brick streets too. The experiment proved a complete failure. WebPalatine Family History of Adam Haines and 2009 Family Gathering On August 15th many of the descendants of Elizabeth (Froelich) Haines/Heins (1754-1837) and who was listed as "Urbanus Haintz" on Governor Robert Hunter's ration list on August 4, 1710. p. P. A type of pike. They wielded the mattock, the axe and the maul, and by the power of brawny arms rooted up the grubs, removed saplings, felled the majestic oaks, laid low the towering hickory; prostrated, where they grew, the walnut, poplar, chestnut - cleaved such as suited the purpose, into rails for fences - persevered untiringly until the forest was changed into arable field. FYI - The main research resources page is at: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Palatine_Migration_Research_Resources. A Committee dedicated to coordinating their settlement and dispersal sought ideas for their employment. There are apparently 8 people with the Egli surname who have tested, but the only one I could find in any project was from France. doriswh@gmail.com. The first went to Ireland, the second to Carolina and the third to New York with the new Governor, Robert Hunter. With all of the frustration and disappointment, I just wanted to cry. A number of German families had located on the Monongahela as far up as Redstone, Brownsville, Fayette county. Around 11,300 inhabitants, mostly port workers crammed into insanitary slums, lost their homes. There they suffered great misery, in the midst of which, and by force of which, Walrath died. The photo above is difficult to see because I took it through glass, but it shows pictures of the inside of the condos or apartments that are for sale in the area, all for over half a million pounds and those are the cheap ones. I descend from Jacob Borst one of the Palatine emigrants. and News on behalf of the descendants of the Palatinate. They sailed from Philadelphia, but their ship was overtaken by pirates. The information about their time in England is much appreciated. Surely no kindlier One of the places I was really looking forward to seeing was the Tower of London so I could, from there, hopefully, see St. Katherines by the Tower. They started The Old Stoney Creek Church. Theres A LOT of other great historical information besides specific family info. You can click to enlarge. The Subsistence Lists. Thank you so much for this interesting article on the Palatinates. My spouses ex is a Palantine descendant (Abraham Defoe, Christoph and Henrich Ketzbach, Johann Georg Reiffenberger lines). Co-administrator. . Because of the relentless persecution and oppression in Switzerland, a large body of defenseless Mennonites fled from the Cantons of Zurich; of Bern and Schaffhausen, about the year 1672, and took up their abode in Alsace, above Strasbourg, on the Rhine, where they remained till they emigrated, 1708, to London, thence to Pennsylvania. . WebThis project analyzes the DNA of men who descend along the DIRECT MALE LINE from the Palatine men who left Germany during the early 18th century, DURING THE PERIOD 1708-1710 OR SOON THEREAFTER. The colony still continued to increase. To posess this, in Louisiana, on the banks of the Mississippi, several thousands left Germany in 1715 and 1717, under the leadership of the notorious John Law, who instead of bringing them immediately on their arrival in America, to the promised Eden, on the banks of the Father of the Western Water, landed them on the pontines (transcriber's note: land bridge) of Biloxi near the Mobile. The Schwenkfelders had intended, before leaving their homes in Europe, to embark for Georgia. p. Their first child, Maria Anna Devoe was born about 1700 in the Palatinate on the Rhine. Roberta, thank you for your insightful article concerning my Palatine ancestors and their dreadful experience enroute from Germany to the new world. The Irish Palatines The majority Hist., Vol 3. Religious persecution, political oppression drove thousands to Pennsylvania - to the asylum from the harrassed and depressed sons and daughters of the relics of the Reformation, whither William Penn himself invited the persecuted of every creed and religious opinion. Their publication is available online: Dr. Marianne S. Wokeck created a detailed list of "German Immigrant Voyages, 1683-1775" to Colonial America. Weve been to Oppenheim on the Rhine and Ive visited the church where Johannes and Magdalena were married. Palatine The English tried to settle them in England, Ireland, and the Colonies. Whats the best place I can compare DNA in order to find Gertrudes family? . Thanks very much for this interesting article. . Hunter Dickinsons next college could bring him back to his high school days. It does however, skip forward some 304 years, to September 2013. He was successful. Relating to The Early Palatines and the First Settlers in the If you have not already done so, be sure to check the seminal work by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. who has written many books and articles. They are indeed welcome. p. Robert Wagner Warner Jr. doriswh@gmail.com Roberta, I have spent so much time working on AtDNA that the Y is totally new to me.I did test at FTDNA and my results were R-M269 and my surname is Sheaffer I thought I may be able to contribute since you specifically mentioned Johann Peter Schaeffer (born c1640). The Palatinate families project is an opportunity to record all the families that were persecuted and driven from Germany in 1708/9 and were refugees in England, Ireland and the Americas and settled in those countries or used them as stepping stones to their final destinations and to discover how they were all interconnected. I was already planning on driving through Rhinebeck and Germantown on my trip to the Mohawk Valley, will check these sources out beforehand too. The firm Hope provided eight ships of which the Winter Galley was one. and not to be reproduced We had a parcel that came over about five years ago, who purchased land about sixty miles west of Philadelphia, and proved quiet and industrious.". https://web.archive.org/web/20120524084404/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710first.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120524084604/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710second.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120524084449/http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ny/1710third.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120524085751/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710fourth.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120525125954/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710fifth.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120525081424/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710sixth.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20111221102440/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710seventh.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20111115154524/http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ny/1710eighth.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20111115154958/http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ny/1710tenth.htm, https://web.archive.org/web/20120525125949/http://www.progenealogists.com:80/palproject/ny/1710eleventh.htm, Send a private message to the Profile Manager, Province of New York, Immigrants from Holy Roman Empire, Public Comments: p. Bruce Romanchak, Im so glad that Bruce Romanchak made me aware of this article! Their health wasnt improving by living in those squalid conditions, either. Simmendinger Register. Katherine by the Tower.. Limerick, with extensive displays of artifacts, photographs, etc. I have a Palatine family Everett that stayed in Limerick, Ireland for 100 years and then moved to Australia.
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