6-iron launch: 17* 54*, 58* TM TP wedges 3* flat. thanks. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. 7 iron 34 165 I'm curious about this as well. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task That's really surprising for amateurs. Vice versa if the club is upright. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . Your previous content has been restored. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. [/b][/size] Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. Have you experimented with different shafts? It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is . Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. [/quote] [/quote] TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. Hogan was big into this. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. My 5 irons lie is 59 deg whereas the usual 5 iron lie from most manufacturers is more like 61 deg. Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. as others have already pointed out, there is no fixed standard lie (just like there is no standard loft) which means that one set of irons "bumped" up by 2 degrees may have the same lie angles as a different set of irons that have not been adjusted. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Terms & Conditions The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. 6 iron 30 180 [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Posted August 1, 2009. It is all about fitting. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). This applies to both face angle and lie. If he had a decent swing he most likely would be playing irons 4-5 deg. I wish I had 95 mph with anything. He wanted to see the club face wide open. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? Pasted as rich text. If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. the dude who's got no shot at doing that always thinks it's the clubs. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. The credit goes to this website for explaining the entire process. stay away from attempting this on the course, and stay away from longer irons, until you've put in the time on the practice tee. Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Mizuno JPX-800 Pro 5-P, X100 so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. That isn't the best or correct way by any means.it's just a tool. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. You cannot paste images directly. X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Hes happy to answer any of your questions! I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Still have questions? It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. For Example Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. You can post now and register later. and this is just for practice! 5-G 6 iron 29 183 In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. [/quote] Vice versa if the club is upright. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. If you want to add more loft to hit it a bit higher you can do so, but you will sacrifice some distance. Deciding whether or not to bend your clubs is down to personal preference. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. [/quote] When i play alone i use the 3-4 and 5 irons more to see how i hit them but otherwise i use 18 - 21 and 24 degree hybrids as they are just a no brainer on how they are a better choice for someone who has a slower swing speed .. however i wiish i could still hit irons instead every round .. You can post now and register later. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. . Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. This is a more upright lie angle.. You cannot paste images directly. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Pw 47 125 Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Is that ok? In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. Mickesgolf To get consistent gaps is probably the most common reason a tour player would have his lofts "tweaked". Your previous content has been restored. QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 [/quote] [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); One thing we talk about profusely in class are Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first Mitchell Golf Equipment Company A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. 7-iron - 30 degrees. He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. 1001 Industrial Blvd Hybrids: 4-5 Epic Flash 6,7 Big Bertha. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. [/quote] [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. [/quote] Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? [/quote] If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. Anyone know if most pros have this done? You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. Great answer Blake. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Upload or insert images from URL. Your link has been automatically embedded. Takomo Golf Clubs Review: (As Good as Expected? [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] They should be leading and flat. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. All Rights Reserved. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Clear editor. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) Bending golf clubs is a viable option if youre looking to adjust the lie angle and loft of your golf clubs. Upload or insert images from URL. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? [/quote] 6-iron launch: 17* Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Contact Us Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Your link has been automatically embedded. Sitemap. And that changes the flight of the ball right? "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Fitting.. gives you a choice. You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. move it forward again, then repeat. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. But manufacturers are smart. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! It is as basic as that. Clear editor. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that they're consistent from one club to the next. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Is this something everyone should be doing, or is it very specific to a certain type of swing? The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. [/quote] Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. The most common adjustment is lie angle, not loft. If you don't like bend them back. Maybe different shafts could reduce dynamic loft and reduce spin some but not a lot. that is why the standard lie angles of GI irons will be more upright thant the standard lie angles of a " players" iron, even among the same manufacturer. Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Pros and cons? It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. or Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] 5 iron 27 195 GIVEAWAY! There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. Thanks everybody for the help! Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Let's say that lies err on the upright side these days. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. There are different golf club bending machines out there at different price points, so you have lots of options to choose from if you want to bend your clubs yourself. Odyssey Pro #1 black It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. In most instances, this means investing in high-tech golf bending machine that allows you to adjust your clubs by about two degrees. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. As for whether or not you should bend your irons, its really up to you. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Now, your club is set to be at the right lie angle for YOU at impact - and now it is up to YOU whether that's ok or whether you need to fix a hook or slice tendency. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. I have a set of S58s where the bounce is already generous, so no issues. I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing.
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