It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". Display as a link instead, 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. bluesboy The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. I do NOT recommend that combination. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. Upload or insert images from URL. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Upload or insert images from URL. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. By Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Paste as plain text instead, Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Your link has been automatically embedded. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. Interesting. Not my intent at all. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Hey! Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? By The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Clear editor. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. Price: US $4,000.00. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! It will work ok at 400 Hz. It's futile. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Display as a link instead, I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. YMMV. I would stick with full fledged horns. Upload or insert images from URL. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Therefore, of course I agree. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Your previous content has been restored. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Display as a link instead, Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. He was thrilled. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 Others have different opinions that are just as valid. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger You're in denial. Just sent an email to my friend. Add to cart. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Have fun with it. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! sweet. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. two way - Jubilee. Cant do that with new stuff. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . However- Please check the fields highlighted in red. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Powered by Invision Community. LOL.. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Be sure to try several listening locations. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. 2.8k. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Thank you, man! Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Quote. You can post now and register later. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Powered by Invision Community. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and would love to hear it. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Those wooden horns look very cool. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. Upload or insert images from URL. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Please. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. ). The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. They just disappear into the corners! Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. No mean feat. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Sorry. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. They all sound good and they're all different. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. I know of several people who have made than change. It would have to be mounted externally. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. []. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. It's reality. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. dkalsi Both companies make speakers lots of people like. Best Offer: Clear editor. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? Item Information. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. ). I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. Affiliate programs and The Khorn bass was better. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Makes this a great hobby. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. You cannot paste images directly. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. Posted February 9, 2005. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. All of which I've already said in this thread. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita You cannot paste images directly. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Naturally, keep all Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Your previous content has been restored. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. Condition: Used Used. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. For the Belle you can do better. Here's the 1953 plans. You cannot paste images directly. You cannot paste images directly. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. Although I have had Khorns sound good The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. You won't regret it! Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Powered by Invision Community. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. Studio monitor class. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself.
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